Patch Poll: Do You Think the NRA Is Using the Sandy Hook Tragedy for Political Purposes?
The National Rifle Association vice president made the suggestion to put armed guards in schools at a press conference Friday.
On Friday, the National Rifle Association's vice president, Wayne LaPierre, spoke at a news conference where he called for armed security in the nation's schools.
LaPierre spoke about a new kind of American domestic security revolving around armed civilians, and argued that "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
His speech called supporters to mobilize around a new vision of American domestic security, at a time when voices for gun control are steadily rising. On the opposite side of gun control advocates are gun owners, many of whom fear their Second Amendment rights could be in jeopardy if gun control of any kind is enacted.
Views about using guns to protect school children vary widely, and there's been a lot of discussion about the issue in newpapers, online media, radio, television and social media networks.
The New York Times reported that some teachers, parents and police question the NRA's proposal, and some educators have pointed out with dismay that the same people who want to get rid of teachers unions now want those teachers to carry arms.
The National Education Association and American Federation of Teachers issued a joint statement Thursday, saying that recent calls for teachers and school administrators to be armed with guns is the wrong approach to school safety. The right approach, they said, is a boost in mental health services, bully prevention and reasonable gun control legislation.
Craig Steckler, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, said in the New York Times story that the rifle association’s proposal unrealistic and probably unwise.
There are already districts that employ armed off-duty police officers as a presence in schools. But putting at least one officer in each of the nation’s schools could mean hiring as many as 100,000 people, Steckler said, at a time that qualified applicants are already scarce.
Not only that, but education budgets have already been slashed in many states and the cost of security could eat into the already-tight academic budgets at a time when many people are unwilling to pay more in school taxes.
So, do you think the NRA has the safety of children at the heart of its proposal? Or is this, as some claim, a move that would advance the interests of gun manufacturers (who would sell more guns) or continue to polarize the discussion over gun control policy in the United States?
What do you think? Vote in our poll or tell us your ideas in the comments section below.
tar m
10:17 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
If course they are using this for political purposes, but how is that any different than the Whitehouse...their booth doing the same thing.
kevin kalchthaler
6:37 am on Monday, April 29, 2013
I was a NRA member until parkinsons forced me onto disability. I couldn't afford to continue, and was unable to safely handle the kind of high powered handguns I liked. still no matter how I explained to them they continue to regularly call seeking money for their agenda regardless of how often you tell them you haven't the means to support yourself first. and I never hear them offer more than an apology or any help for parkinsons. Michael j fox isn't seen as the gun toting type even though he held firearms in at least 2 movies.
John Currier
10:26 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Do You Think the White House Is Using the Sandy Hook Tragedy for Political Purposes?
John Emery
10:31 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Absolutely, just as they do with every other issue.
mike la
10:27 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
argree .. they are looking to take advantage death of this childern to gain political edge... but the bottom line is even if you arm guard they would be no match against they military weapons tha these nut cases can get... so nothing would change... plus it not only schools,, malls . movies.. they need to wake up
Airdoc
12:05 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Once again - these ARE NOT military weapons. The military uses automatic not semi-automatic weapons-do you even know the difference? Did you hear about the shooter at a mall in San Antonio (probably not since it didn't fit the media's agenda) since it was stopped by an armed off duty policeman working as a guard. He killed the shooter with one shot. A criminal does not obey laws, so why would another one make any difference?
Tim Freehoffer
10:31 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Fact: Most inner- city middle and high school already have an armed police officer's permanently assigned, this for safety and due to violence, gang issues drug problems
etc. Why with a history of attacks on schools has this not been a mandatory policy.
The focus should be on increase security protocols, police monitored surveillance systems at all schools which is worth every dollar. Many states already have strict gun control. This breach in security parallels the embassy fiasco.
Steve D
10:31 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
To say they are using this for political purposes is an understatement. In fact if they were using it for political purposes they might have made some concessions to the public mood. LaPierre's statement reveals an underlying sickness and fanaticism that truly believes that the answer to violence is more guns. Let's face it the NRA is beyond being a political lobbying group, it is driven by evil.
cc
8:59 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Steve you need to do some research in the NRA, as they are not driven by evil.
Agitator Alligator
10:32 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Or course they are, but only in response to everyone else.
How about posing more relevant and useful questions rather than continue filling the air with pointless noise.
George Lundergan
10:32 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Show me the first gun that pulled its own trigger and then I "might" think about adding another law to the 1000's that are on the books and don't work now. Start with Holder and the "Gun Walking" issue that Obama has done nothing about.
John Williams
3:44 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
Sandy Hook is nothing. 26 dead. That happens in America 4 or 5 times over every single day. Who cares? No one really. Just a lot of silly talk to no effect. Guns have nothing to do with it, that's for sure.
Hans Gruber
10:34 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I agree with Tar M.... this became political when the White House got envolved....
Unless this is terrorism, or a crime that took place over boarders, this is a local matter... IMHO Obama (and the admin) and the NRA, spill the same rhetoric at each other and don't seem to find any validity in each others argument to further discussions... I don't see this as a gun control issue... Typically Gun Control is about access to guns in the market, IMHO gun control should be about securing your weapon from accidents... and you should have to prove this... Unfortunately this is a common sense issue... His mother did not secure the weapons she purchased legally and allowed her son access when he shouldn't have been... she should have known... and if no one points a finger at her (Even for 50% fault), then we have lost all hope for responsible parenting...
Ultimately, this coward went to a place where people couldn't defend themselves (Due to the law) and took advantage of what should have been a safe haven for learning, not target practice...
I also don't think the NRA is a fault, they don't teach morons to steal a gun from your family, kill your mother, kill innocent people, and commit suicide... I think they have as much to do with this as mother teresa does... and I am not an NRA member...
Access to guns doesn't make me a violent menace to society, so why are people who dont own guns saying those who do are? or have Blood on my hands? doesn't make sense...
kelly
10:38 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Maybe you can tell me why it seems that all these killings or liberal place why I don't understand at all all the kids seem to watch nothing but violent video games if you watch some of them games you understand what I'm saying it's strange that all these guys that's doing the killing are dressing just like the people in the video games maybe it's time that the SEC at our government start to do their job in crackdown on this kind of garbage and their kids are watching you take guns out of the hands of everyday Americans and it won't be long will have a dictatorship in this country you can laugh and joke all you want will be no different than North Korea China Iran or any other ones you let the UN get a hold here and you'll see that like they said why are they saying that in the NRA someday he'll think I don't agree if all these salt weapons they got but if you take them next to your hand pistils everything
Concerned Citizen
8:17 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
...what...?
I looked but there isn't one use of punctuation in that entire mess...
Concerned Citizen
8:19 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I really don't even know where to begin with that...I really didn't think there could be a less articulate post than Jill's on here, but man was I wrong.
Frediano
10:39 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Some dead five year olds are usable politically; dead in the backseat of a car because of DUI, not so much. No politically motivated calls for 3.2 beer only and access to vehicles capable of excess of 20MPH to law enforcement and military and EMTs only... yet DUI is the real fringe epidemic. No, lets show how much we care about rare, fringe mayhem by selling out freedoms that only exercise.
Frediano
10:40 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
..that only others exercise
Susan M.
10:42 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
This is a ridiculous poll. The liberals are using this as fodder for their own agenda and the NRA responded. Any idiot can get their hands on a gun illegally. So stop the media nonsense and try to find some decent stories that will be worth my time to read.
Frediano
10:43 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
What I do understand is Piers Morgan's inner demons. This is the Piers Morgan who left three (ages 8-15)bleeding on the battlefield of the marriage he destroyed because of his Holy need to sniff after the strange with some other married celebrity journalist. His oldest boy, a child of divorce, would be almost 20 now. Guns are in the basement; so if Mom and Dad are still together, does Adam do this? He was "devastated" by his parents breakup. So were those dead kids.
Oren Spiegler
10:46 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Some will no doubt call me naive, but I do not believe either the NRA or its many foes are using this incident for political gain. I believe that both sides truly believe that the positions they have adopted will serve to protect us. I find flaws in the positions of both sides because neither seems willing to adopt a balanced approach, to take into account all of the factors that play into a massacre such as this. Our rotted "entertainment" culture as well as our gun culture must be examined and addressed if we are to gain a foothold in the fight against this type of atrocity. As a realist, I do not believe there is going to be a meeting of the minds among the public nor in our do-nothing, intransigent Congress.
Tmenzil
10:53 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
NRA only voiced their opinion on the matter when they were forced to make a public statement. This entire issue was not started by the NRA, is not in NRA's control for some lunatic to go on a killing rampage and NEVER will be NRA's fault for derangement of people minds. This is not a "gun" problem but a people problem !!! Red flags were there to deal with well before this incident but were ignored by the family involved. After the fact, since there is no one left to blame, the liberals and gun haters choose to direct their misguided anger and political agenda against an organization that they wish to destroy. I call epic BS on the entire argument. NRA did not force anyone then and now to go kill innocent people for no apparent reason. Much like a drunk driver running over a pedestrian - no one would blame the car would they? All those that want to attack the NRA are doing exactly that! I am not an NRA member but will join them if this is the kind of mistreatment and ignorance that is to surround an organization that is helping to maintain one of our TOP freedoms. NRA nor its policies had anything to do with this terrible crime - that IS A FACT.
Todd Anderson
10:54 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
The Patch is just going too far with this anti-gun and anti-NRA rhetoric. News sites like this should be unbiased. This kind of article makes the Patch look like a bunch of hack armatures.
Come on Patch, I expect much better from you.
Susan M.
11:17 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Agree Todd Anderson. Now they are just using crap journalism to put something out every day or more. The Patch never used to stoop to this level, even if it meant they only put something out once a week. Stop this nonsensical dribble and get back to the news outlet you used to be.
Roger
11:20 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
This ^^^^
bd
10:59 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
What a question. Why is there no question about the Liberals using Sandy Hook for political purposes? Remember the Rahm Emanuel statement about not letting a good crisis go to waste. The Libs waste no time. In all honesty, both sides will use this tradegy to support their agendas.
Tmenzil
11:05 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
the four question on the poll are also BS.
NRA is not in this for ANY agenda - they are forced to make a public statement.
NRA had no involvement in school security prior to being forced.
Not sure? - what kind of a poll opinion is that for this topic?
No opinion? - why even bother putting this line in a poll?
Your polling and article is on a lean for YOUR AGENDA!
Susan M.
11:18 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Crap journalism.
John B.
11:20 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Interesting. I just caught your poll decrementing the count on numbers for people who answered, "No".
Roger
11:32 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Yes, really a stupid poll. But, the editors know that polls create web traffic, and this one is no exception. By their very nature, polls are divisive because it forces a decision. And, simple answer polls allow a decision, without having to justify.
Yes, the event in CT has generated much political rhetoric. The ball really started down the hill last Sunday night at the memorial service, "... I will do all that my office holds to .... making sure this does not happen again." From this single statement, the ball gained steam on the down slope, and many politicians rolled down the hill along side.
Any suggestions implying "this not happening again," from any viewpoint, is irresponsible. It means that "I am sure that here is the answer." This includes the NRA stance, the CA Senator's stance, the stance of the WH, or anybody from any persuasion, is made irresponsibly. Many of the public statements are merely trolls, in order to stir the pot. The statements of Diane Fienstein, the statements of the NRA, plus many others, fit this category.
I continue to be confused why we get worked up on one event (and we should be horrified, not marginalizing the CT event), and let others pass with merely a wink. Every day, the same number of lives are lost due to DUI (average). Every day, many times the 28 lives are lost because of the abortion medical procedure. This week, four lives were lost in Holidaysburg (?) due to gunfire. Yet, these only get a wink and nod.
Rudy Gonzales
11:33 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA on Friday and today said:
Please accept our condolences for the murder of twenty(20) innocent children! We will not accept responsibility for the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction across America. The major manufacturers and importers along with no-background checking gun shows around the country are not the cause. The fault lies with the mentally deranged , evil beings, demons, copycats of fame, criminal class, gang members and we abhor any gun prosecutions and lack of criminal gun prosecutions by a callous and corrupt government. Additionally the fault lies with the demon video producers, the movie industry and other shadow industries including music video that fantasize murder and mayhem. Fault lies with the national media complicit with the moral failings of the government and dishonest thinking on gun control. We fully back the proliferation of guns and defend the gun manufacturers of the world to make money on the blood of innocent children. An assault weapon is necessary and a right at everyone's expense. We absolve ourselves of any responsibility or complicity in and for any of the past murders committed by people of limited mental capability or deemed mentally incompetent. In conclusion we offer to train and provide additional weapons to schools and trained personnel to create fire zones around every school so as to increase the body count. We will help fund these new shooting ranges. On to the next mass murdering. Vote!
same old story
11:46 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
WHO KNOWS? THESE TRAGIC EPISODES ALL SEEM TO BE CAUSED BY FRUSTRATED YOUNG WHITE AMERICAN MALES. HOW ABOUT GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THIS BS AND STOP THE GRANDSTANDING.
Tmenzil
12:04 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
What does "race" have to do with this article? I find your statement to be provoking and un-called for. Root of this BS is mental health. Grandstanding? Who and with what? So all those urban killings by gang members and drive by shootings are all done by young white males too and not indian, oriental, latino's or blacks? Looking at the scale of things, I would say killings are on a wide spread footing rather than just one race and type of people. Interjecting race has no bearing here.
John B.
12:40 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
What a racist.
I guess we don't admit when they are in China...and they aren't white. Or maybe you'd like to talk about the black people in Africa who kill children, men, and women with machete or grenades...or maybe it's okay, following JillFromPgh's point-of-view, to simply maim them by cutting off their hands and feet.
"There were six similar attacks in just seven months in 2010 that killed nearly 20 people and wounded more than 50.
The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.
In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.
Tight controls mean that gun crimes are rare in China and make knives and sometimes explosives the weapons used in mass attacks in China."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html#ixzz2FzWUWBHd
Not familiar with black violence? Here's one:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201293083628417301.html\
Here's another:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/03/chicago-welcome-to-obamatown
N/A
11:56 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
"Black violence?" What does violence in Chicago have to do with violence in Africa again? Other than skin pigmentation of course...
In many cases, people seem to have forgotten the definition of the word "racist," and believe that any recognition/mention of ethnicity is racism.
ie: I don't think that same old story was attempting to draw a comparison between black and white young men. It seems like this person is insinuating that there is a common cause of frustration with the group of young white American males.
I could be wrong, but it looks like a serious gun was jumped and a little bit of irony came into play. (Pun intended).
John B.
11:50 am on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I've been an NRA member for much of my adult life. I joined while I was serving in the military. On the news of this event I cried, while sitting at my work cafeteria watching the news scroll past on CNN.
This kind of story, and dishonest polling, dishonors the children and adults who lost their ability to run, play, hug, and love. It was not a gun that did this. In case you missed it a very similar thing happened in China around the same time...when a Chinese guy took a knife and attacked a bunch of people; many children.
If you really want to have a grown up conversation about killing children (that's why we're deep down upset about this; because innocence was snuffed out) then let's get to the root of this and talk about including Abortion. I'd be glad to hear your opinions on what to do to fix both problems.
I fear that people like the author and her supporters don't want to talk about it because that reflection in the mirror would probably hurt too much.
NRA members, the only way you can win this is to sound off. Stop being afraid of these paper hangers and the political correctness nonsense that has driven our country to depravity.
JillFromPgh
10:50 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
You do know that the children in China were injured, not Dead, don't you?
John B.
12:29 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Nice try JillFromPgh,
"There were six similar attacks in just seven months in 2010 that killed nearly 20 people and wounded more than 50.
The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.
In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.
Tight controls mean that gun crimes are rare in China and make knives and sometimes explosives the weapons used in mass attacks in China."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248054/China-stabbing-22-children-elderly-woman-stabbed-outside-primary-school-Chinese-knifeman.html#ixzz2FzWUWBHd
Vincent Bereznicki
12:40 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I agree with john B. The issue is not more gun control but social issues. Our kids are exposed to more acceptable violance on tv at the movies and on vidio games. There are more latch key children than ever who fend for themselfs and are not taught right from wong or the value of human life. Our schools and parents don't teach social skills or values anymore, theres less and less human contact and less GOD in our lives.
JillFromPgh
1:55 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
What is so difficult that we just throw up our hands and give up trying to solve this problem? The average person needs a car to go to work and get around. The average person does not need a gun. Only law enforcement and the armed services actually need guns. So make any gun that is not a hunting rifle illegal. And by hunting rifle, I mean hunting rifle and every hunter knows what that is. It is not an automatic or semi-automatic gun. And no, we will not go around searching peoples homes for guns anymore than we do now. Anyone who has a gun that is now illegal could bring them in for a "buy-back" program any organization could run, the government, the local law enforcement agency, or any volunteer group. If a person, such as a collector, wants to keep their guns, they would have to keep them in a locked secure location at the local police or sheriffs office and these guns could be accessed by the owner, and only the owner, for certain specified purposes. You might be surprised to discover that most people are law-abiding and would do whatever they could to make it work. If the customs people do their job and I know they do, and if the gun manufactories would cooperate, this would minimize any problems with a black market for guns. There would be no gun shows. You can get your guns at a gun shop, just as you used to. With fewer guns in circulation, there would be fewer guns for criminals to buy or steal. Problems are only insolvable if we let them be insolvable.
Roger
2:09 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Quoting: "... You might be surprised to discover that most people are law-abiding and would do whatever they could to make it work ...."
You were cruising along pretty well, until you stepped into this pothole. Law abiding people do not use guns to kill others. Law abiding people locking up their guns is commonplace. Gun safes at home work fine -- no need to add the burden at the local police station.
Only those who choose to use guns to kill others are not law-abiding citizens. Your arguments fall apart quickly with trying to impose new rules on those who are not the problem. Was the gunman who killed three people in mid-PA this week, then was killed by police a law-abiding citizen. Not so much. Be definition, his action of killing another, by whatever means, is unlawful. Do these people care? Consider the case on Friday night at a local bar, where two people chose to shoot up the place. After a fight in the bar, they left, but soon returned with guns, shooting through the outside door, then entering, shooting at others. Nobody was killed, but some people were injured. Were these two men law-abiding citizens? Do they really care about locking up their guns at the local police station? I'm doubting so.
The buy-back programs do take many guns off the streets. But, the percentage is very, very small. One of those buy-back guns may eventually be used in a crime, but what about the other 99.99%? Remember, 2.5M assault weapons are on the streets.
Tmenzil
3:18 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Why do we have guns and reason for their protection is well written in history. Founding fathers saw this necessity and made a ruling. JillFromPgh - I'm thinking you need to understand history and the political turmoils there-in to get behind the idea of guns or no guns. It is a right to own a gun in this country and many others due to YOUR OWN protection. If you deny history and say that that doesn't apply anylonger just plays into its ignorance (not calling you ignorant by anymeans). I will keep my guns and protect the right that allows me to do so. This is a clear right that all citizens of this country have written in our Constitution. Do not mistake emotional ideas with your liberties. Give away your rights today - you will have NONE tomorrow!
cc
9:07 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
JillFromPgh, most people who own guns and have permits to carry do not go around and shoot others up. They have guns for a variety of reason's and are not the cause of these shootings.
Parents need to quit buying video games for adults for young children. Some adults need to become better parents and teach their children right from wrong. People that have children with mental issues need to seek help for their children instead of living in denial and saying it will go away with age. They need to control what their children are watching on tv.
I have never seen a gun shoot a person in cold blood, but read about mentally ill getting their hands on guns and doing these killings.
John B.
1:25 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Actually Jill, I needed a gun growing up to help feed my family in the poor rural area of southern Arkansas. There were several times I can remember being ultra thankful that we had deer to eat. But, I also needed a gun once while traveling between military deployments (when I was not in uniform or authorized to carry) to stop a Gay (i.e. not happy) man from trying to rape me when I stopped at a road side picnic ground to use the restroom. Looking back on it, I maybe should have killed him. There's no telling if he went on to rape and kill someone else. I believe in "Thou shalt not kill" though. It's also why I don't believe in Abortion. Can you tell me how many millions of people in your country are killed every year out of convenience? I wonder if an A. Einstein or a Mother Teresa was in that number?
The interesting thing I've learned after traveling this earth is that there are mostly good people (you seem like one maybe); bad/dangerous people exist too. Ask the Jews of Germany (remember the socialists?), the millions of dead taken by the Russian communists, the victims of the Khmer Rouge, the people of Nanking, tribal people of Africa, etc...
It's interesting how our country hasn't been invaded in a long time. Why do you think that is?
WRT the idea of checking out a weapon from the armory. I did that overseas on military bases...inside countries the US invaded and controls. Do you really want to be controlled by some other government?
Ed M
8:54 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Roger,
Law abiding citizens sure do use guns to kill others. That is probably not the intent of owning them, but if they are protecting their home and family, I'm betting they are killing others.
Roger
9:23 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Ed, by definition, citizens killing others with a gun is unlawful. "Law-abiding and unlawful is a contradiction in terms. Therefore, it is a contradiction to think that a citizen killing others with a gun is a law-abiding citizen. Blue is not red.
scott Stilwell
2:08 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Naturally, both sides of the gun control debate will use tragedies such as Sandy Hook for political purposes. I'd be extremely shocked if they didn't.
I personally believe that an armed guard could be a deterrent to an armed assailant. For example, if Joe Schmuck was planning to rob a bank, he may choose not to rob one with an armed guard. Instead, he may pick a different target. I do not support a ban on any type of guns period. If a criminal wants to commit a crime with a gun, they're going to acquire that gun no matter what.
Mark A.
3:55 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Let me ask you guys; gun proponents are very fond of describing themselves as patriotic law-abiding Americans. Suppose an assault rifle ban is indeed enacted into law, with a mandatory buyback such as was done in Australia. Would you be law-abiding and hand in your assault rifles?
Airdoc
4:03 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
If you finally know what an assault rifle is, then you'll know that was a silly question.
Mark A.
4:34 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
? I guess i don't understand your reply, if that was one. Would you hand in your assault rifles or not?
Tmenzil
7:17 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
NO to turning over any weapons. They would have to grandfather the law in place. Otherwise I keep what I have and become a criminal. That would be a classic example of making a criminal out of law abiding citizens for absolutely no "good" reason. Why should issue's like this push such a law to begin with. If it starts with this then where does it end. Even those who hate guns and don't want anything to do with them should support their very freedoms that this land makes available. Chipping away at those freedoms takes away from every citizens, not just the gun owners. There are already laws in place to keep things civil but CRIMINALs choose not to follow them - so why make the law abiding citizens pay/suffer for or criminilize them for things they had no part in? It is in the US Constitution and I as a patriotic citizens will fight to keep it there. We are not Australia and we are not Sweeden or any other country. We are United States of America for a distinct reason - Life Liberty and pursuit of hapiness without trampling on rights of others. If someone breaks the law(s), that is what the courts are for. This horrendous incident in CT in itself is about a crazed individual making an exit statement due to his derranged mind and whatever else due to his own mental collapse. It is not about guns (any guns). Those that push the argument to guns are misleading themselves and the problem is not addressed or fixed in any shape or form.
Airdoc
5:22 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Then please don't comment or ask questions if you don't even know the definition of an assault rifle.
Mark A.
6:20 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
you're just trying to dodge the question. If an enforcement officer accompanied by a cop came to collect your licensed gun, what would you do?
cc
9:16 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Mark If you hand over your gun then your in the wrong. I have my rights set forth by our Constitution to own a gun.
So Mark should we take away all cars because their are people that drive under the influence of drugs and liquor. What would you do if a enforcement officer and cop showed up at your door to collect your car and keys. What would you do????
Airdoc
6:31 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
If anyone has an "assault" rifle (which they don't) then the cop won't be coming to my door. I'm not dodging your un-informed question, so I'll teach you since you are dodging my comment. A weapon that has a full automatic option is an assault weapon, which the AR-15 does not. So again, please stop commenting on something that you are obviously lacking knowledge.
Mark A.
6:37 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I don't know whether to *facepalm* or *roll eyes* so I'll do both. You are refusing to answer the question based on a semantic hairsplit, way to stand up for your ideals. Fine, you're not an active soldier, so you don;t have an assault RIFLE, you have an semi-automatic weapon, which is what the ban would be against. NOW answer the question, what would you do when they came for your semi-automatic weapon?
Mark A.
6:39 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
And by the way, you're going by the NRA definition of an assault weapon, which is not what the government uses. They define semi-automatics as assault weapons. So the ban would indeed be on assault weapons, despite your semantic breath-holding.
Airdoc
6:53 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Sorry I was vomiting from your infantile response. The "semantic hairsplit" as you so put it is the difference between the truth and your lie. I don't belong to the NRA and I was using the Oxford dictionary definition of assault rifle,
noun - a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use
Mark A.
6:58 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I'm using the governments definition, which would of course be the applicable one. I can see you're going to continue to dodge my simple question because you don't have an answer for it. Even when I use your definition you continue to dodge and roll. Any other readers care to try an answer?
BTW I'll have you know I'm not anti gun. Just trying to get some feedback.
Roger
7:07 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Mark A, no you haven't received feedback/answers on your hypothetical, rhetorical question. And, you probably won't find anybody wanting to play your game. Maybe the local coffee house, or the local pool hall is a place to play your game. I think nobody wants to play here. I could be wrong, but I think others are here to deal with reality, and discuss on a reasonable plane. Is that asking too much?
Mark A.
7:28 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I didn't think i was playing a game, not intentionally anyway. A conversation would be fine, i think a conversation is what the country needs instead of an argument. Obviously my experience with airdrop shows that is going to be hard to come by. I thought it was a fairly simple hypothetical, one that may become reality in the near future and should be considered.
Tmenzil
7:54 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
Mark A. you are pushing the idea of "what would you do?" No one can answer that question until approached with the mentality of stripping someone of their weapons under a government mandate or law. Let me ask you what would YOU do if the officials came to your door and demanded for your legally owned property (any property) because now the government made it illegal? One day legal - next day illegal is an exertion of control. That kind of control leads to many levels of disarray and confusion. Many variables and gray area's that no one can properly answer and if they did answer, they would be just guessing at an outcome. Your question is valid but the answer cannot be factually provided. Some will fight and possibly get killed (possibly killing some officials too), some will turn it over happily and some will not be touched at all because the enforcing agents will not know they have guns. In any case, the criminal will march along doing what they do without the affect of this hypothetical new law. Criminals do not register weapons, they obtain them by stealing them.
Mark A.
8:24 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
I see your point, and i suppose my answer to the question would be I would obey the law but probably not be happy about it. For instance, if the NRAs position about violent video games was by some miracle enacted into law. I sure as hell would be pissed off about giving up my Xbox. But if the Xbox Removal Man came to my door, i would give it to him, although probably calling him a douche while doing it. I wouldn't pull out my gun and fire on him just because i feel it is my right to own the Xbox. If the greater society at large has determined it dangerous and enacted a ban, i would comply. i wouldn't see it as a deterioration of my rights, i would see it as a government seeking to protect the people, and obeying the will of the majority.
I guess this leads me to another question, how about a national referendum on assault weapons? It would be the highest voting turnout in history, and wouldn't it finally determine what is truly the will of the American people?
Concerned Citizen
1:41 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Mark, your hypothetical goes out the window when you compare a constitutional RIGHT to owning an X Box. Kind of hard to take any of what you say seriously when you compare those two. You have a RIGHT to own weapons; there is no "Right to own an X Box." Your comparison is a joke.
NE12Ukid
10:54 pm on Sunday, December 23, 2012
On Friday, the National Rifle Association's vice president, Wayne LaPierre, spoke at a news conference where he called for armed security in the nation's schools.>>>
Yet an armed law enforcement veteran, WAS assigned to the Columbine School and did try to stop the massacre, to no avail.
LaPierre must mean that to prevent a gun massacre you need a whole armed force in every school? Maybe like the entire police department which WAS at Virginia Tech or everyone at Fort Hood military base?
Tmenzil
1:11 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
Reading a little too deep into his offering of security with attempts to ridicule. There does not exist a fool proof tactic that will work in all cases. A deterrent high profile presence can go a-long way in achieving better levels of security. Banks get robbed WITH an armed guard (sometimes more than one armed guard) in the lobby, that doesn't mean the bank is going to eliminate all armed guards. Criminals (just like anything else in life) try to overcome obstacles by attempting to become more crafty in their tactics. This doesn't mean we should just all fold up and give up to crime. It has to start somewhere as a baseline and progress forward. Most of these school type shootings happen because the perpetrator knows there will be extremely small resistance and they can do the most damage before its all over. Why give them that much of an open gesture to provide an open target? Again I say - THIS IS NOT A GUN ISSUE, this is a social-person issue with hatred in their heart. No amount of taking away guns is going to change that. Where there is a will, there is a way - combine that with hatred, destruction and rage, you then have recipe for a disaster. Usually these school type killers kill themselves or are shot dead, they are suicidal and expect to die. How do you stop someone that is willing to die in the process of their destruction? Answer that and you will have solved this problem.
Airdoc
10:10 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
The law enforcement veteran at Columbine was not in the school at the time the shooting started, he was with another unarmed guard on a different section of the campus. By the time he got there, he had to protect the kids that were running out of the school. At VT, there was confusion due to two shootings within a couple hours of each other. As far as Ft Hood, in the 1990's under Clinton, he made every military base a gun free zone. Which is why the local police had to go there and shoot the terrorist - excuse me, the workplace violence shooter.
NE12Ukid
3:39 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
So what?
sieben13
10:02 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
The problem with Americans is GUN MADNESS.the second amendment has out lived its usefulness.
JillFromPgh
10:58 am on Monday, December 24, 2012
I couldn't agree with you more. The citizens malitia that that amendment addresses was our only means of national defense at the time. We now have a standing army, the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and the local shariffs and police forces. We do not need a citizens malitia, especially when those defending this amendment justify it by saying that it enables them to defend themselves against our legal, elected government.
Concerned Citizen
1:46 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
So now you can pick and choose which rights are outdated? And you can interpret meaning? So...by your FLAWED "logic", we should be able to repeal the fourth amendment because it is outdated, or no longer reflects the times? Or the first amendment? I don't even own a gun, but it is our Constitutional RIGHT to own them, and I will NEVER give up one of my constitutional rights. And yes, there may come a time when the citizens need to defend themselves from our government, just as we did before. Such shallow arguments! "Strip EVERYONE'S rights away because I don't think it is right." Thank god you are only a poster to a blogsite and not in any position to make any kind of difference. I'd HATE to see your America, after you strip away the rights you don't agree with.
Tmenzil
2:01 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Do you know why that freedom is granted to all citizens in the first place? Study, learn and understand history so that you may not repeat mistakes of the past. We are afforded the rights so that we may never transition back to the days when it was an absolute necessity to own a weapon. Tyrannical government with overbearing self made laws to enslave its citizens, forcing heavy taxes for the King's purposes. Our forefathers needed a law that government shall not have the power to entrap and enslave the citizens of the land. If the public at large IS ARMED then a government take over is MUCH less likely. Search the web and understand the root purpose of the law that you dissmiss so quickly. If the government and the "Army" are the only ones to have weapons then how can citizens stop the government from enslaving its people. Don't think for a second that it cannot happen even today as history will be a testament to prove you wrong with countless measures and examples. We have the US Constitution and Bill of Rights for many reasons, give away those rights and you will back yourself into a corner that will ultimately be the demise of us all. Small government, free market and enterprise, capitalist trade system is what enabled this land to achieve first world status from the beginning and has been a guiding light for rest of the world not just to follow but beat a path to our borders. Give away those rights and we will have destroyed everything this land stand for!
John B.
2:33 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
Yea. Let's get rid of the 2nd Amendment. Then we can get rid of the 4th Amendment, and 5th Amendment. Funny, the 5th, 7th, 8th amendments don't apply to Abortion victims. A criminal has more rights than a growing, live baby does.
Did you notice how the scientific community is all a buzz about the possibility of life on Mars just by the detection of methane? I wonder if the ignition of a sperm & egg and the process of cells splitting would constitute life...
Seriously, if you want to talk about stripping the country of the rights that my brothers and I fight for then you need to show up with an honest discussion of how to fix the root cause of these problems. Taking a crap on people who love this country is more than ignorant. You're old enough to know better.
If you want to sit down and talk gun control then bring something to the table. I suggest we safeguard kids, starting with Abortion.
As we say in the military, "Step up or shut up."
JillFromPgh
1:54 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
To Concerned citizen. Nothing on God's green earth is perfect. Our documents are the best in the world but they are not perfect either. Should we still count slaves as 2/3 of a person for voting perposes? Should we have left the prohibition amendment stand? The only people I know of who thought they had to defend themselves from the governement of the United States were those who were afraid of the "revenoo-ers".
Mark Trombetta
1:02 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Jill
Madison, Jefferson, Mason, Henry, Washington etc all thought that we needed to be able to defend ourselves from the Government. I do in the present day.
100 million people were killed by governments in the 20th century.
And I think you mean 3/5th.
Concerned Citizen
12:13 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Jill, your argument is comparing apples and oranges. The huge difference is that slavery was not part of the original constitution (don't they teach this stuff in school anymore? Do people really know that little about the history of this country?). To placate the southern colonies and get them to ratify the constitution, the slavery issue was deliberately avoided. It wasn't addressed again until the 1850's, and after slavery had been abolished in other countries, like Britain. There is no language in the constitution allowing slavery; the problem was that there was no language banning it, either. So...yes, they changed the constitution to include banning slavery (see 14th Amendment), but it was never dealt with when they framed the constitution. Your argument has no merit whatsoever, and your comparison to slavery only shows your lack of knowledge of American history. Given your other posts, though, I would bet American history isn't the only subject you haven't studied (in the least, apparently). You should also read WHY the second amendment to the constitution was written. You really stated "We do not need a citizens malitia, especially when those defending this amendment justify it by saying that it enables them to defend themselves against our legal, elected government"...I am just shocked that you have no concept whatsoever about the American Revolution.
Concerned Citizen
12:18 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
One more point...you bring up the prohibition amendment. Of course it shouldn't stand, but again, you need to read a little bit about that as well. It was a knee-jerk reaction that got the amendment passed. 13 years later, it was painfully obvious that it couldn't work, and should never have been passed in the first place. After that fiasco, you would have another knee-jerk reaction to a situation and change the CONSTITUTION? Not only that, alcohol didn't take away one of the rights afforded to us shortly after the constitution was ratified (see "Bill of Rights", Jill). Your arguments are weak, uninformed, and not relevant in any way.
JillFromPgh
3:30 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
To concerned citizen. Are you really trying to compare our government, which is the one everyone tries to emulate, with the colonial government of Great Britain? Most of us are loyal to our government, not stocking up so that we can overthrow it.
JillFromPgh
3:44 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Just out of curiousity, are all the people who claim they "need" their guns so that they can fight against our own government part of "well regulated malitias"? And if they are, what regulations are they governed by? If they aren't then one could argue that they do not fall under the protection of the second amendment.
Concerned Citizen
6:12 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Jill, please read a history book, specifically American History. From the American Revolution to the Civil War, at least. Until you do you are only embarrassing yourself. There are plenty to check out at the library. Your comments are completely nonsensical. And after re-reading this thread, ALL of them are nonsensical. So do yourself a favor and learn some history. You could save yourself from looking foolish in the future (of course, way too late for that on THIS thread). Unreal.
JillFromPgh
1:58 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
To John B. I assume you were not using an automatic or semi-automatic weapon to hunt with. Those are the guns I talked about. And I specifically exempted hunting rifles and I said the hunters know what a hunting rifle is. We banned both these weapons before and only ban one now. The one that is not banned is the one that was used in all these killings. So obviously we can ban them again.
Roger
2:15 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
quoting: "... So obviously we can ban them again. ..."
Saying this, as if the 2.5M weapons now in ownership will suddenly disappear, and none of the existing ones will be used for killing. Good, I'm glad we have that settled.
John B.
3:34 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
It's completely legal to use a semi-automatic weapon to hunt with. I've used a semi-automatic shotgun to hunt dove and quail; while maintaining a legal number of rounds. I've used a Ruger 10/22 .22 LR to hunt squirrel and rabbit. It's semi-automatic. I've used a lever action 30-30 (not necessarily semi-automatic), bolt action 30-06 (not semi auto), pump-action 12 gauge (not semi-auto), and a Soviet made 1957 Russian SKS 7.62x39mm rifle (semi-auto); all to take deer and all chosen primarily based upon terrain and cover. All while following the law. I've followed the rules that I learned from NRA hunting safety classes to take animals for food. Classes that I began taking at a fairly young age.
Incidentally, I used a Glock 19 9mm handgun to safeguard myself from rape; legally. It is a semi-automatic hand gun.
If you like I can pitch in with other NRA members and we can get you signed up for a gun safety class if you aren't afraid. I live in San Diego, Ca. now, hold a Masters of Science degree (distinguished graduate) and know from talking with a lot of liberal friends in the tech industry that they are fundamentally afraid of firearms. It's ok to fear what you are not familiar with. It's a survival instinct. Consider overcoming your ignorance and seek education.
Consider opening your mind to at least giving it a try before you judge me and my kind in a negative way.
Concerned Citizen
4:16 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
John and Roger, you're arguing facts against an uninformed opinion. Some people rant without knowing the first thing about the topic being discussed (as evidenced by MANY postings to the Patch, not only the one above), and this is no exception. Another pontification from someone who doesn't know anything about the topic (or many others either, such as the Constitution, American History, the list goes on and on...)
Concerned Citizen
4:18 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
and "WE" banned both these weapons before, "WE" can ban them again...? Hmmm...I wasn't aware of you passing legislation, Jill...
We? I really just have to stop reading your posts, I don't have time to point out how many ridiculous or inaccurate statements you make.
Tmenzil
7:07 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
JillFromPgh... are you sure you are an American citizen from America? Your comments reflect otherwise. Either you have no concept of US History or are just going on what others are telling you. Your comments lead me to believe you have absolutely no knowledge of this country, its Constitution, Bill of Rights or our most basic of freedoms and liberties. Crack a history book please and stop with the nonsensical dribble. Your lack of history knowledge is embarrassing. Please do not admit what school you graduated from as it clearly shows you lack education and should be put through some remedial history lessons at the least.
Concerned Citizen
8:16 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Tmenzil, I'm glad I'm not the only one to see how poor Jill's knowledge of history is. Her comments are so ridiculous that I had to read them a second time to make sure I read it correctly.
She really has no concept of history whatsoever, none. Hopefully our schools are teaching people more about history than THIS. It's actually painful to read her posts. I am embarrassed for her.
Tmenzil
3:37 pm on Monday, December 24, 2012
After looking at the polling data with more analysis, I find it to support the NRA. NRA's political agenda "IS" to protect our Constitutional right so "yes" to that and NRA "IS" concerned about (not just) school safety but all citizens safety in their stance - so a clear "yes" to that also.
Question that begs to be asked now is "What is the purpose of the poll?" Since the last two entries on the poll is complete and utter useless entries with no one responding to them - last two are stricken away as a waste by no response from public.
The poll only supports NRA's position no matter which two lines you choose to select.
Robert Alcorn
1:29 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Hey, NRA, what is your plan to protect volunteer firemen? A guard on every truck?
Tmenzil
2:02 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Why is it up to NRA to protect anyone in the first place. They are just an organization to uphold the constitutional rights that are there for us all and for hunters and gun enthusiast. Who put the NRA in charge of ANYONE's protection? Why is the blame falling on NRA when they have nothing to do with criminals and their choice of weapons? I guess the liberals are out just for a scapegoat since they have no one to blame and prosecute for a crazed individuals actions. Get real people and bring it back to reality.
cc
8:05 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
It isn't the sane people that have permits to carry or own a gun doing these killings. It is the ones getting guns illegally that are doing the shooting. You can thank obama and his cronies in Washington for allowing illegal guns to be out there.
JillFromPgh
3:37 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Thank you R Alcorn. And to CC, I am sure you are aware that people who can't get these guns in a city that has laws against them just go to a suburban or rural area where there is a gun show, where background checks are not required, purchase what they want, take them back into the city and sell or use them there. You cannot blame a city because it cannot control gun shows outside their area.
cc
9:00 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Jill you are clueless. On any street corner in certain areas of any city, i'm sure there are guns being traded all the time from gang member to gang member. They don't need to go to gun shows to get guns.
jahoo
2:14 pm on Tuesday, December 25, 2012
I gotsum an rdea! Since the pens arnt using that new rink how bout we get ours guns and go down there on sAturday AND have agood old fashion GUNNN FITE?
G I Joe
9:20 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Maybe we can teach our children the safe way on how to properly handle a semi-automatic weapon. Then when they turn 18 they won't have to go to "boot camp" to learn. This would then become a win-win situation; they get knowledge and training and the government saves tax money. Red & Blue win again!!!! SPECIAL
James W. Wood
11:49 am on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Historically gun control has lead to gun seizer, followed by tyranny and mass extermination. To be sure, the 2nd Amendment has little to do with hunting or love of guns. It has everything to do with defending and protecting your freedom, your individual rights and liberty against a foreign or domestic power and in particular our own government.
JillFromPgh
3:18 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
I am not sure what country you see that happen in. It certainly has not happened in the United States even under the Reagan assualt weapons ban. It hasn't happened in New Zealand or any other civilized country that imposes reasonable controls.
N/A
11:46 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
I mostly don't agree with Jill as far as her view on gun control, and I have agreed with James several times in the past, but this statement "historically gun control has lead to gun seizure..." Meh...That is a stretch of a statement as far as all of history is concerned. I know we can go with the Nazis, and certainly they were disarming the population for a reason but....any other Western/democratic government (as the government should at least be comparable to our own in order to say if something happened their then it is a sign of that something happening here).
Sue T
1:59 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
I Austrailia, they were forced to turn their guns in. I'm not sure if you would consider it seisure.
Actually. it seems Conn. has a gun seizure law:
http://www.wgbh.org/News/Articles/2012/12/23/Despite_Tragedy_Conn_Gun_Seizure_Law_May_Have_Prevented_Others.cfm
Tmenzil
12:14 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Thank you James W. Wood !!! Spot on!!!
Only if everyone could comprehend your entry without all the superficial nonsense that liberal politicians and the left wing media pump out.
James W. Wood
2:28 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Book Em Dano !
NBC’s request to display magazine was denied by police "There are D.C. code violations, D.C. code restrictions on guns, ammunition".
“NBC contacted [the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department] inquiring if they could utilize a high capacity magazine for their segment,”a spokesperson reportedly said in an email. “NBC was informed that possession of a high capacity magazine is not permissible and their request was denied. This matter is currently being investigated.” Where did he get the magazine and from whom ?
If you have one ( high capacity magazine ) in Washington DC you would have been charged, but will NBC host now be charged?
"He was told not to do it " It was against the law no ifs ands or butts! No means No !
Yes anything for a story....... "I’d rather have a gun owner as my neighbor then a journalist, one is far more responsible then the other”!
Mark Trombetta
3:04 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Let's look at how that law is working to keep D.C. safe.
D.C. is one of the murder capitals of the Country annually. I guess that the criminals are not abiding by those laws. Go figure.
They changed the name of the NBA team from the Bullets to the Wizards.
Maybe that helped.
No, there were more murders the next year, but all of the politicians felt better.
Now David Gregory and his co-workers are being investigated for possessing a plastic gun clip without any ammo. A stupid law with no substance, but the law nonetheless. And he knowingly broke the law even when told by the D.C. Police not to do it.
What are the odds he will go to prison. If the law is truly upheld, he should.
Ask Matt Lauer. He didn't after he broke the gun laws in NYC.
I don't think the rest of us would get away with this.
Laws are different for the liberals who are smarter, better, run faster and jump higher than the rest of us.
James W. Wood
3:37 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Gregory held up the 30-round gun magazine ........The maximum penalty for conviction on such a charge is $1000 fine and a year in prison.
Gregory held up the 30-round gun magazine - barred under Washington municipal code - during a nationally broadcast interview Sunday morning with National Rifle Association Chief Executive Officer Wayne LaPierre.
A petition posted on the White House website calling for a charge to be brought against Gregory contained more than 7,000 e-signatures as of Wednesday morning.
Tuff Guy
8:39 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Gregory is such a BAD man! He broke he law to prove a point; OMG! Put him in jail and throw away that Darn Key! Then go out and have a great time shooting your gun against that bad man knocking on your door! ;-)
James W. Wood
4:14 pm on Wednesday, December 26, 2012
Press charges against David Gregory for possession of a 30-round, high capacity assault rifle magazine in Washington D.C
David Gregory is not above the law; he is a journalist, and must be held accountable to the same law as every other person.
DC High Capacity Ammunition Magazines – D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01
(b) For the purposes of this subsection, the term large capacity ammunition feeding device means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
We The People demand that he be formally charged for violation of this law on "Meet The Press."
Created: Dec 23, 2012
Issues: Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Firearms
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NE12Ukid
9:01 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/petitions.htm
If you want to add your name to one of these Internet petitions, that's your privilege but we have to tell you that in our experience, none of them has accomplished its purpose.
The biggest problem with email petitions is that they do not really carry the weight that people normally associate with petitions. Typical paper petitions are valid because real people have signed them with real signatures and, presumably, real addresses. When petitions are circulated to qualify a political candidate for public office or an initiative is launched to change a law, the petitions are accepted only if a minimum number of the signers can later be validated by comparing name and address information with known records such as voter registration data. The names on an email petition, however, can be easily fabricated. There is no way of knowing whether the alleged "signers" really attached their names or if someone simply created or borrowed a list of names and pasted them into the email. As a result, an email with a lot of names on it does not really say much of significance.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/petitions.htm
Sue T
11:57 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
If you look at the url, this is a petition setup on the White House website. The White House has pledged to respond to any petition that is setup there which receives 25,000 or more signatures. These a a little different than the other petitions out there. If you go to the website, you will see that there are petitions on a wide range of topics/issues that people have setup to get a response from the White House. You can also see the President's response to some previous petitions on this website.
william atwell
11:04 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Military Arms? What are you talking about? A 223 round is a very common rifle. You can get in bolt action, semi-automatic and single shot. The rifle is a Clone iE each time you pull trigger 1 shot. There was no select fire. Also, as sad as the shooting was. Where was your outrage in Waco when your same government sent a armored personal carrier in! Also. These where not his guns he stole them off his mom, killed her then went at the school. So he was a felon at that moment not a law abiding citizen. I own a few of these look alike guns and I enjoy them. You want to take the 2nd amendment what is next? The 1st? The 4th? You should be outraged that they are messing with the Bill of rights! Instead you think the world will be safer with no guns! Then if private citizens can't have guns. Then law enforcement and military should surrender there's! Guess who will have guns? That's right folks criminals
Margaret French
12:47 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Ditto to what you said William Atwell.
cc
3:31 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
William Atwell totally agree with you. If you take all guns by revoking the 2nd Amendment then the only one left with guns will be the criminals. Criminals won't give up their guns as most of them have their serial number removed and they will just be passed along to other gang members and sold on the black market.
william atwell
11:07 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
We have guns to protect ourselves from the government and any foreign invaders! You people need to learn some hostory
Mike
10:58 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Hostory: The Life and Times of Kim Kardashian
James W. Wood
1:15 pm on Thursday, December 27, 2012
Poor children no armed guards........In the wake of the Sandy Hook massacre, Rep. Louie Gohmert told Fox News’ Chris Wallace that he wished the principal had a gun to prevent the carnage from taking place. NRA leader Wayne LaPierre agreed with the idea of having armed guards in our schools, saying that, “It’s the one thing we can do immediately that can make our children more safe.” NBC’s David Gregory mocked LaPierre’s proposal, however, which brings to light (yet again) the blatant hypocrisy of some of the most vocal proponents of gun control.
But when it comes to Gregory's own kids, however, they are secured every school day by armed guards.
The Gregory children go to school with the children of President Barack Obama, according to the Washington Post. That school is the co-ed Quaker school Sidwell Friends.
According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.
Moreover, with the Obama kids in attendance, there is a secret service presence at the institution, as well.
It's safe to say the school where Gregory sends his kids is a high-security school. It's just odd he'd want it for his kids, but wouldn't be more open to it for others.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2012/12/26/david-gregory-mocks-nra-leader-for-proposing-armed-guards-in-schools-but-sends-his-kids-to-school-with-11-armed-guards-n1474345
JillFromPgh
9:20 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
I knew an uncle who used to go hunting every year. Because of a childhood illness that kept him out of school, he never learned to read and write. He also had a slight difficulty with one side. If you asked him to read something, he would say that he had "forgotten his reading glasses" and ask you to read it to him. He had his wife read all the materials to him for the driver's test. He never forgot what you told him, so he answered all the questions verbally. And having once traveled to a place, he never forgot how to get there. He learned to fly a plane the same way. Every year he would go hunting along the cuts in the forest where the power lines went through. And as long as he hunted, he brought back a deer every year except for one. That year the snow was so deep, it was hard to get to his usual spot and the deer weren't moving. He would field dress the deer and take it to a place on route 8 that specialized in butchering deer for hunters. He would freeze what he wanted and give away the rest. He would never have needed a semi-automatic rifle to hunt with. But then, he was a patient and accurate shot.
Concerned Citizen
11:23 am on Friday, December 28, 2012
Was there a point to your post, Jill? Doesn't seem to be.
Cindy Cusic Micco
5:32 pm on Friday, December 28, 2012
I believe her point is that her uncle could kill a deer without the use of a semi-automatic rifle. Sounds like he was a good hunter who provided his family with food. I started to say "despite his limitations", in reference to his inability to read and write. But it sounds like he wasn't limited at all - he sounds like a very accomplished person.
James W. Wood
8:19 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
UP DATE .....................
Press charges against David Gregory for possession of a 30-round, high capacity assault rifle magazine in Washington D.C
David Gregory is not above the law; he is a journalist, and must be held accountable to the same law as every other person.
DC High Capacity Ammunition Magazines – D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01
(b) No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. For the purposes of this subsection, the term large capacity ammunition feeding device means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
We The People demand that he be formally charged for violation of this law on "Meet The Press."
Created: Dec 23, 2012
Issues: Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement, Firearms
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bd
2:16 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.
JillFromPgh
2:53 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
India history
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.
Context is everything when you are quoting someone. The above quote of Mahatma Gandhi was from a leaflet urging Indians to serve with the British Army in World War I, Part V, Chapter 27, Recruiting Campaign. Continuing the quote, he said,
"If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."
Then later in life, when he had become committed to non-violence, he said the following, "I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent." and,"If we were to drive out the English with the weapons with which they enslaved us, our slavery would still be with us even when they have gone."